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舊 2006-02-05, 02:14 AM
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預設 television.com的故事

最近因為sex.com以高價售出,連帶也帶動了其他一些頂級網名的行情,下面是一篇講television.com的報導,有興趣的可以看看。僅翻錄一些重點大致如下:

television.com是在1995年由美國人Mike O'Connor所註冊。他同時還註了bar.com, grill.com, pub.com, place.com, shelter.com, cafes.com television.com, ing.com and company.com,後幾個後來賣掉了。大多為他賺進不少錢,唯一還沒為他賺到錢的就是television.com。

他早在1995年時就曾拒絕過來自cnet.com的五萬美元出價(cnet擁有tv.com),1998年則拒絕過一個一百一十萬美元的出價。但在1999年則同意和一家電視及行銷公司合作成立一個線上電視公司,就使用這個網址。而採用的方式則是以television.com入股(占15.5%)的方式來合作。那家公司的主要股東叫namer(網名人?)。

television.com於2000年一月正式上線,主要靠廣告賺錢,當時的CPM(每千次廣告曝光)的收費是二十五美元,但後來遇到網路泡沫破滅,CPM一路降到25美分而已。但同時的頻寬依然十分昂貴,結果造成他們流量愈大賠得愈多的情形。最後在2002年收掉,共花掉二百萬美元。

當然現在他們還在等機會起來,但已有人和他們接觸想買這個網名,目前這個網名依然是屬於先前他們成立的公司所有,所以按股份來算,目前能處份這個網名的人已是namer。

至於原有人Mike O'Connor等於沒有因這個頂級網址賺到一毛錢。但他認為他「投資」在這家公司也沒有損失,而現在這家公司「維持」這個網址的成本極低,他們可以慢慢的等機會。不過他其他網址已為他賺了不少。而他目前的計劃是想利用手上的corp.com,提供給別人註冊subdomain,並且已和一些註冊商商討合作。例如你如果註不到acmecorp.com,就可以註acme.corp.com。(看來subdomain確實是一個很不錯的生意點子)




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Suddenly, it seems to be a good time to be in the business of selling domain names.

A web development company that promises to use it to build an adult social network has recently purchased the long-contested domain sex.com. While terms of the deal have not been publicly disclosed, some press reports have pegged the price as a mix of cash and stock worth at least $14 million.

While sex.com might be the most valuable domain on the Internet, many other common one-word domain names also have a potential value in the millions.

So what would the domain name Television.com bring in today's market?

Larry Namer and Mike O'Connor are hoping to find out, and while Television.com's history isn't as tangled as Sex.com's, it certainly is a cautionary tale in just how difficult it can be to make money online.

Television.com was originally registered in 1995 by Minnesota resident Mike O'Connor, a self-described "tech-geek turned business-leader type person." As he describes the process on his personal Web site, he registered televison.com (along with a number of other names) early in the history of the public Internet.

"Before the web happened, there was FTP and e-mail and Gopher. In those days, I was entranced by how much domain-names resembled the call letters I used to get for radio stations -- very cool way to "name" things. So, long before the domain-name land-rush, I got a handful of generic domain names. The list includes the site (haven.com), bar.com, grill.com, pub.com, place.com, shelter.com, cafes.com and a few that got sold; television.com, ing.com and company.com. Some of those last ones made me a buncha dough."

One of the names that haven't made him rich so far is Television.com.

O'Connor rejected a $50,000 offer from CNet in 1996, and in 1998 rejected a $1.1 million bid from an undisclosed bidder. But in 1999, he decided to enter into a deal with new media producer Steeplechase Media and Internet marketing firm MarketVision Direct to launch an interactive TV site at Television.com.

Namer, the largest shareholder of Steeplechase Media stock, said in an e-mail that O'Conner agreed to contribute the domain name in 1999 in exchange for a percentage of the new company.

Press reports at the time described the equity being split along the lines of 66.7 percent to Steeplechase Media, MarkeTVision, through its subsidiary MKTV.com, owned 17.8 percent and O'Connor reatained a 15.5 percent interest.

In a phone interview, O'Connor said that the reason he did a deal that involved no money upfront was twofold: one, he had already made a fair amount of money selling off other domains he had registered, and secondly, he believed in Namer's vision and the possibilities of the site.

"This is the classic case of a good decision and a bad outcome," explained O'Connor. "You don't get mad about bad outcomes. We made a great decision to go that direction. And if I was asked to make the same decision again, I would make it in a heartbeat."

Television.com officially launched in January 2000, but never quite grabbed the traction its principals expected. And then there was the problem of bandwidth costs.

In an e-mail exchange, Namer outlined some of the issues. "When we decided to build it out the Internet biz was booming with ad rates hovering around $25.00 CPM. By the time we got it built, the web bubble had burst and CPMs (cost per thousand banner impressions) sank to 25 cents. With costs at that time for streaming and bandwidth being incredibly high (compared to today's costs), we were getting eaten up by our own success. The more traffic we got, the more money we lost."

By the time the plug was pulled on the site in 2002, Namer said, they had spent about $2 million on the business.

O'Connor said that despite the challenges, that incarnation of Television.com "had access to some very slick technology from Microsoft, and things could have turned out differently. But then the technology crash of 2000 happened, and that was the bad outcome."

The domain has sat dormant ever since, with O'Connor retaining administrative control of the domain and ownership still split between the three parties.

"While Steeplechase doesn't operate any longer it still exists, as does MarketVision," said Namer. "So the ownership stays the same. I was the largest shareholder in Steeplechase, so I guess I'm the main person speaking for the domain and the plans."

And what are the plans for the domain? Namer says he is seeing some interest in Television.com, although he hasn't yet made a deal.

"Recently I have been getting offers (not necessarily qualified ones) in the millions," said Namer. "For whatever reason, the interest in the domain has heated up greatly in the past three months. We had held it for this time with the belief that it is one of the best domains on the planet and its value would be re-established with time. That turns out to be true, so we are glad we didn't fire sale it."

O'Conner said that after that project wound down, they continued to look at other options for the domain. "A lot of the things that were presented to us in early 2000s just weren't that interesting. But as an 'investor' in the company, I can afford to wait. The domain didn't cost me anything, so I haven't really lost anything other than time."

"Actually, it may still be a bit too early to crank up the next thing for Television.com," continued O'Connor. "We are beginning to see a few interesting companies and deals on the horizon, but we still might be a bit earlier for the market."

Steve Safran, who is both the managing editor of the TV industry blog Lost Remote and Director of Digital Media at NECN, said there are some interesting possibilities for the domain.

"Any IPTV (Internet Protocol TV) service would do well to scoop it up -- assuming the price was right. It’s a valuable URL, but I bet the owners are asking for a very high price. If that’s so, that’s Bubble Thinking," said Safran. "If I suddenly owned television.com and had to make a business around it, I would build a network around it of open content. Think Google Video, only better organized. Make it THE place for IPTV."

Namer's also thinks that video would be the ideal solution for the site. " If ever there was a domain name that screamed "convergence," this is it."

O'Connor said that he thinks that all along, both he and Namer have been searching for a technology and a project that would change the way people interact with TV. "I don't think it makes sense to be another Google Video or another ad site," says O'Connor. "I think we are honor-bound to make our original investors whole. I think we need to look at advancing the Internet somehow, and advancing television somehow. But if we have to sell the domain to make the investors whole, then so be it. It's kind of like farming. Not all the seeds you plant end up growing."

In the meantime, both Namer and O'Connor continue to work on other projects.

In recent years, Namer attempted to launch the Reality Central TV channel, which folded after News Corp.'s Fox Reality Channel premiered in 2005. Currently, he is part of the management of the World Digital Media Group, a company which plans to launch an independent music TV channel in 2006.

As for O'Connor, his current project involves rolling out another one of his domains, corp.com. "Back when I was originally registering domain names, I got to thinking that someday this Internet thing might catch on. And if it did, then if you're Acme Corporation, you're in trouble. Because there is more than one Acme Corporation in the world, and they might already have the domain name you want."

O'Connor plans to offer companies the chance to purchase a sub-domain such as "acme.corp.com" and has signed a deal with a domain registrar to offer the option to its customers.
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舊 2006-02-05, 04:06 AM
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以目前來看,這個投資似乎不太划算,
而且還只拿到 15.5% 的股權,太少了...
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這是ㄧ個分散風險的觀念,他如果自己搞,在網路泡沫後,可能就不存在了。
而他利用合作的方式,把風險分攤了,也讓自己安全通過泡沫化。
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舊 2006-02-05, 10:09 AM
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啊,好文。长了见识。
不过他的投资看来是失败的,namer取得了控制权,如果有好投资再进来,Mike O'Connor不再具有决定权了。而且,他的股份还有可能再次被稀释。前景不是很好。只是不知道他参与的公司规模多大,变现实值能有多少?如果还能等价在1,100,000$的话。
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而他目前的計劃是想利用手上的corp.com,提供給別人註冊subdomain,並且已和一些註冊商商討合作。例如你如果註不到acmecorp.com,就可以註acme.corp.com。
英雄所見略同。

而且小弟估計,遲早,這項註冊 3 level subdomain 的業務,會成為許多 registrar 例行性的服務項目。所以呢,也不急。
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作者: licheng
英雄所見略同。

而且小弟估計,遲早,這項註冊 3 level subdomain 的業務,會成為許多 registrar 例行性的服務項目。所以呢,也不急。
這項服務雖然還不急,但取得合適的好網名可慢不得,會愈來愈難取得或價格會愈來愈高。而一旦這樣subdomain的服務白熱化後,手上有好網名的大概就不太會再賣出來,因為已經有錢途可去了
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這項服務雖然還不急,但取得合適的好網名可慢不得,會愈來愈難取得或價格會愈來愈高。
沒錯。

而且,會使用 3 level subdomain 的,要嘛基於對於該域名的高度認同,要嘛就是個人或小型商號,不可能是大公司。所以,如果著眼於這個領域,該注意哪些域名,就比較明確了。

基本上,跟域名買賣時的考慮,有些差異。
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